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Hey ho,

I managed to get some scope time a bit earlier this evening before the clouds came in. I thought I'd check collimation by defocussing on a star and it does seem slightly out. I've been looking at how to collimate scopes on the web and it's making my head hurt!

Having only had refractors previously this is a whole new area for me so can someone recommend an easy method/website and/or a device that would enable me to get good collimation on the SW 200p. Can i get away with a film canister lid with hole in it or should I go for a laser device? or Cheshire??

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Yes, pop over to Astronomy shed,
http://www.astronomy...forum/index.php
there are excellent video tutorials on how to collimate your scope. When you have your TAL Barlow, there's a method called Barlowed laser, for which you will need a laser collimator. This is a dead easy and reasonably accurate method and I do it just about every time I use the scope, the laser will come in handy for centering the secondary as well.
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Collimation looks daunting but once done a few times becomes very simple indeed.

I find a collimation cap which is basically a film cannister lid with a hole in it and a hotech laser collimator is the way to go.

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I see the hotech is a pricey one at nearly £100 are the cheaper ones any good? I have seen laser collimators for around £30 on Ebay - about the same price as a Cheshire and also around my sort of budget! :D

Also Doc are the 'Hidden Treasurers' in your sig the ones listed in the James O Meara book?

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Edited by wisewoman, 23 December 2011 - 10:34 AM.

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Hi Melissa.

I have this one from FLO......

http://www.firstligh...collimator.html

Baz senior (Martyn) showed me how to collimate my 200p with a laser but I am having doubts as to how good a laser is, I found that in our standard focuser ep, the laser collimator can move, so one minute the collimator says it is fine, you take it out, put it in again and it says it is out. If you can, try before you buy, but i think I may go down the Chesire route soon, may ask nicely some more people on here including Martyn to show me again, there is also a way to barlow your laser collimator so you can check both your primary and secondary, I was shown but can't remember.

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Yes Millisa the Hidden Treasurers' in my sig come from the James O Meara book.

As for the Hotech, yes it is dear but it's extremely well made and as far as I know never goes out of collimation, if it does Hotech recollimate for free. Cheaper ones do go out of collimation or even arrive out of collimation.

My 16" truss dob needed collimation every time it was used thats why I bought the best, smaller dobs do not need that and tubed dobs should only need it every now and then.

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Daz - thats a really good point about the focussers on the 200p - I can see that they could be problematic with a laser. I also noticed that in this collimating tutorial using a 200p (f5) the writer doesn't like laser collimators: http://www.astro-bab...ion%20guide.htm

I'm leaning towards a cheshire but I think I will do a bit more research!

Melissa

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I have this one from FLO......

http://www.firstligh...collimator.html

Baz senior (Martyn) showed me how to collimate my 200p with a laser but I am having doubts as to how good a laser is, I found that in our standard focuser ep, the laser collimator can move, so one minute the collimator says it is fine, you take it out, put it in again and it says it is out. If you can, try before you buy, but i think I may go down the Chesire route soon, may ask nicely some more people on here including Martyn to show me again, there is also a way to barlow your laser collimator so you can check both your primary and secondary, I was shown but can't remember.


Edited by wisewoman, 23 December 2011 - 03:11 PM.

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i`ll pull up a chair on this one,
collmination, and how to do it correctly must be one of the biggest head aches to baffal us mortals, everyone does it slightly different, and like said everytime you but the laser back into the focusser it`s different, moving the scope plays havoc with the collminator as it seems to droop

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I purchased a cheshire collimator and it's easier to use than most folks say.

I was told a few times that collimation is a two person job, but if you are patient and don't mind bit of switching between the focuser and collimation screws then it's really quite easy.

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I'd go with the cheshire and a collicap / film canister to start with. Lasers are very useful if time is short.

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When ever I used a cheshire I found that the accuracy varied so much depending on where you placed your eye. To get increased accuracy move further away from the peephole.

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When ever I used a cheshire I found that the accuracy varied so much depending on where you placed your eye. To get increased accuracy move further away from the peephole.


Nice one Mick, good tip, it seems this collimation business is more tricky than I ever imagined, what with laser collimators giving differnet readings just by taking it out and puttting it back in again, to the collimation varying depending on where you put your eye using a Chesire, will this collimation nightmare never end?

Would you suggest both a laser and a chesire or is that ott, just do your best with the product you choose?

Edited by Daz type-r, 23 December 2011 - 09:28 PM.

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I would go with the cheshire and do as Mick says... It's all about line of sight. The further your eye is from the peephole, the less the field of view and the more accurate the collimation. :)

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The reason the laser is different everytime you try it is the slop in your focuser. The hotech solves half of this by centering the collimator but when you insert your eyepiece it still pushes it to one side. You can use an Orion self centering adapter but I think this only works with 1.25" eyepieces but does solve the problem

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Cheers Mick, I will look into that, thanks for all your advice, owe you a pint!

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Hello folks,

What is the difference between a long and a short Cheshire? (apart from size of course!) :D

I'm also assuming that not all Cheshires are made the same so which brands should I go for? Am i right in also thinking that I would need to buy or make a collimating cap or do they tend to come with Cheshire eyepieces?

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Hello folks,

What is the difference between a long and a short Cheshire? (apart from size of course!) :D

I'm also assuming that not all Cheshires are made the same so which brands should I go for? Am i right in also thinking that I would need to buy or make a collimating cap or do they tend to come with Cheshire eyepieces?

Thanks
Melissa


Use the long cheshire if you are having difficulty seeing all three primary mirror clips.

The collimation cap enables you to get the secondary to look as circular as possible.

The link below was the best site I found on collimation and this is how I learnt the dark art.

http://www.propermot...ate/Chesire.htm

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As an aside Mick, I may have further input on the camera collimation front we once went into in great depth. Still waiting for a couple of bits and bobs but it could get 'interesting' ;)
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That would be great Dion as I really enjoyed that and I think we had reasonable success.

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I can't see the primary clips using a cheshire so I use a colli cap for centring the secondary then cheshire for the primary. I know Doc's right with the line of sight thing but I found with practise, during the day, I could get the laser and cheshire results to agree.




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