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Derbyshire Dave

Aggh, colours have come out poor again. They were really bright as I inserted them, but have become really muted again after I placed the post. Grrrrrrrr

 

 

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Derbyshire Dave

PLEASE CLICK ON INDIVIDUAL PICTURES TO SEE TRUE COLOURS IN FLICKR!

 

ANYONE WHO CAN HELP ME SORT THESE COLOURS OUT WILL BE REWARDED WITH BEER!!!!!!!!

 

Mick and Craig have already tried to help here. Mick's suggestion was to go to the photostream in Flickr, select the image, DO NOT OPEN IT, but right click, and click "Copy Link Location". This doesn't seem to work now, anyone who can help me here, I'd really appreciate it..

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Bottletopburly

This may shed light Dave  found on the net  maybe worth trying a different browser to see if there is a difference, what browser are you using , nice pictures btw .  

If you don't have your color space set to "sRGB" in whatever editing tool you use, then most browsers will give random results at best. It might be a setting on your camera, especially if you're shooting RAW format, but whatever you're using for final output should have a setting available, and it should be set to "sRGB". There are hundreds of proprietary color space options, many specific to manufacturer or camera or software. When editing for printing it's useful to have these options, but when displaying on the internet, you have to use the one that most browsers can parse.

You might also check, and this is more rare since it's a printing setting only, but look to make sure you aren't set for "CMYK". This level of washing out is something I see when a viewer/browser attempts to display a CMYK image as RGB. 
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Derbyshire Dave

Morning David. Hope weather is good in Northampton.

 

I'm using Firefox generally, on a PC.

 

The colour space of the original photo is set to sRGB. I see this when I open the original picture in Photoshop, and if I upload to Flickr, and then download a copy, the downloaded image still says sRGB.

 

HOWEVER.. I asked Craig about this, and he told me..

 

here's an extract of the EXIF data from Flickr:

Color Mode - RGB
ICCProfile Name - ProPhoto RGB

 

But I'm not sure how he did that.

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Bottletopburly
2 hours ago, Derbyshire Dave said:

Morning David. Hope weather is good in Northampton.

 

I'm using Firefox generally, on a PC.

 

The colour space of the original photo is set to sRGB. I see this when I open the original picture in Photoshop, and if I upload to Flickr, and then download a copy, the downloaded image still says sRGB.

 

HOWEVER.. I asked Craig about this, and he told me..

 

here's an extract of the EXIF data from Flickr:

Color Mode - RGB
ICCProfile Name - ProPhoto RGB

 

But I'm not sure how he did that.

I wonder if it happens if you have a pro account on Flickr, or if there is a setting in Flickr that you can change Dave 

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Ron Clarke

Great photo's Dave, although the colour is a bit muted, I think they all look very natural!!?

 

Ron

 

BTW It's a Whitethroat (leg and crown colours!)

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Doc

When I look at the exif from my photos the colour space is set to sRGB on your photos the exif show the colour space as uncalibrated ( look at the yellow highlight below). I don't know if this is something to do with it. You find your exif data by clicking the button saying exif in flickr next to you camera and lens setting info,

 

mage Width - 5133

Image Height - 3723

Bits Per Sample - 16 16 16

Compression - Uncompressed

Photometric Interpretation - RGB

Make - Canon

Orientation - Horizontal (normal)

Samples Per Pixel - 3

X-Resolution - 240 dpi

Y-Resolution - 240 dpi

Planar Configuration - Chunky

Software - Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 (Windows)

Date and Time (Modified) - 2019:05:16 08:48:13

Artist - David Frost

YCbCr Positioning - Centered

Copyright - Copyright D Frost 2017

ISO Speed - 400

Sensitivity Type - Recommended Exposure Index

Recommended Exposure Index - 400

Exif Version - 0230

Date and Time (Original) - 2019:05:07 09:23:17

Date and Time (Digitized) - 2019:05:07 09:23:17

Components Configuration - Y, Cb, Cr, -

Exposure Bias - +2/3 EV

Max Aperture Value - 8.0

Metering Mode - Spot

Sub Sec Time - 91

Sub Sec Time Original - 91

Sub Sec Time Digitized - 91

Flashpix Version - 0100

Color Space - Uncalibrated

Focal Plane X-Resolution - 2688.726619

Focal Plane Y-Resolution - 2688.726619

Focal Plane Resolution Unit - cm

Sensing Method - One-chip color area

File Source - Digital Camera

Custom Rendered - Normal

Exposure Mode - Manual

White Balance - Auto

Digital Zoom Ratio - 1

Scene Capture Type - Standard

Lens Info - 600mm f/?

Lens Model - EF300mm f/4L IS USM +2x III

Lens Serial Number - 0000000000

Coded Character Set - UTF8

Envelope Record Version - 4

Application Record Version - 0

Date Created - 2019:05:07

Time Created - 09:23:17+00:00

By-line - David Frost

Copyright Notice - Copyright D Frost 2017

Global Angle - 30

Global Altitude - 30

IPTCDigest - 7abaecf60abed9336f3a018557686a6a

XMPToolkit - Adobe XMP Core 5.6-c145 79.163499, 2018/08/13-16:40:22

Approximate Focus Distance - 2147483647

Firmware - 1.01

Flash Compensation - 0

Image Number - 0

Lens ID - 177

Creator - David Frost

Format - image/jpeg

Rights - Copyright D Frost 2017

Serial Number - 443052000799

Lens Model - EF300mm f/4L IS USM +2x III

Lens Serial Number - 0000000000

Lens Info - 600mm f/?

Color Mode - RGB

ICCProfile Name - ProPhoto RGB

Legacy IPTCDigest - 814B37A31B8CECAB1DC580B595CB9F96

Creator Tool - Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 (Windows)

Metadata Date - 2019:05:16 08:48:13+01:00

Rating - 0

Derived From Document ID - adobe:docid:photoshop:7c0db6c2-077d-624f-8fcb-ded6b779c47a

Derived From Instance ID - xmp.iid:b7cbc1e8-d0d4-8143-8fc8-37b51d27788e

Derived From Original Document ID - CBB73DA7119E4B3DB5267041BAA705BD

Document ID - adobe:docid:photoshop:5ad9aa70-e094-5340-85a3-860881ce1a26

Instance ID - xmp.iid:08bd0ac5-5294-cb45-a47b-291fb24da9c2

Original Document ID - CBB73DA7119E4B3DB5267041BAA705BD

Camera ID - 72157668584224581

Camera Type - Mirrorless Camera

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Doc

Compare it with mine

 

mage Width - 5472

Image Height - 3648

Bits Per Sample - 8 8 8

Compression - JPEG (old-style)

Photometric Interpretation - RGB

Make - Canon

Orientation - Horizontal (normal)

Samples Per Pixel - 3

X-Resolution - 300 dpi

Y-Resolution - 300 dpi

Software - Adobe Photoshop CS6 (Windows)

Date and Time (Modified) - 2019:05:16 13:53:41

YCbCr Positioning - Co-sited

ISO Speed - 800

Sensitivity Type - Recommended Exposure Index

Recommended Exposure Index - 800

Exif Version - 0230

Date and Time (Original) - 2019:05:16 11:18:59

Date and Time (Digitized) - 2019:05:16 11:18:59

Components Configuration - Y, Cb, Cr, -

Exposure Bias - 0 EV

Max Aperture Value - 6.2

Metering Mode - Spot

Sub Sec Time - 55

Sub Sec Time Original - 55

Sub Sec Time Digitized - 55

Flashpix Version - 0100

Color Space - sRGB

Focal Plane X-Resolution - 3810.584958

Focal Plane Y-Resolution - 3815.899582

Focal Plane Resolution Unit - inches

Custom Rendered - Normal

Exposure Mode - Manual

White Balance - Auto

Scene Capture Type - Standard

Lens Info - 150-600mm f/0

Lens Model - TAMRON SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD G2 A022

Lens Serial Number - 0000000000

Interop Index - R98 - DCF basic file (sRGB)

Interop Version - 0100

Coded Character Set - UTF8

Envelope Record Version - 4

Application Record Version - 0

Date Created - 2019:05:16

Time Created - 11:18:59+00:00

Global Angle - 30

Global Altitude - 30

IPTCDigest - bb1f5e5f72d06fdcfe4f178ea50aa6be

XMPToolkit - Adobe XMP Core 5.3-c011 66.145661, 2012/02/06-14:56:27

Approximate Focus Distance - 0.48

Firmware - 1.1.7

Flash Compensation - 0

Image Number - 0

Lens ID - 747

Format - image/jpeg

Serial Number - 078053000267

Lens Serial Number - 0000000000

Lens Info - 150-600mm f/?

Color Mode - RGB

ICCProfile Name - sRGB IEC61966-2.1

Metadata Date - 2019:05:16 13:53:41+01:00

Rating - 0

Document ID - B25DEBF1769880C6075095855F5648C6

Instance ID - xmp.iid:40B89B77D877E9118466CF678784687F

Original Document ID - B25DEBF1769880C6075095855F5648C6

Camera ID - 72157607012320362

Camera Type - Digital SLR

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Derbyshire Dave
10 minutes ago, Doc said:

When I look at the exif from my photos the colour space is set to sRGB on your photos the exif show the colour space as uncalibrated ( look at the yellow highlight below). I don't know if this is something to do with it. You find your exif data by clicking the button saying exif in flickr next to you camera and lens setting info,

 

mage Width - 5133

Image Height - 3723

Bits Per Sample - 16 16 16

Compression - Uncompressed

Photometric Interpretation - RGB

Make - Canon

Orientation - Horizontal (normal)

Samples Per Pixel - 3

X-Resolution - 240 dpi

Y-Resolution - 240 dpi

Planar Configuration - Chunky

Software - Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 (Windows)

Date and Time (Modified) - 2019:05:16 08:48:13

Artist - David Frost

YCbCr Positioning - Centered

Copyright - Copyright D Frost 2017

ISO Speed - 400

Sensitivity Type - Recommended Exposure Index

Recommended Exposure Index - 400

Exif Version - 0230

Date and Time (Original) - 2019:05:07 09:23:17

Date and Time (Digitized) - 2019:05:07 09:23:17

Components Configuration - Y, Cb, Cr, -

Exposure Bias - +2/3 EV

Max Aperture Value - 8.0

Metering Mode - Spot

Sub Sec Time - 91

Sub Sec Time Original - 91

Sub Sec Time Digitized - 91

Flashpix Version - 0100

Color Space - Uncalibrated

Focal Plane X-Resolution - 2688.726619

Focal Plane Y-Resolution - 2688.726619

Focal Plane Resolution Unit - cm

Sensing Method - One-chip color area

File Source - Digital Camera

Custom Rendered - Normal

Exposure Mode - Manual

White Balance - Auto

Digital Zoom Ratio - 1

Scene Capture Type - Standard

Lens Info - 600mm f/?

Lens Model - EF300mm f/4L IS USM +2x III

Lens Serial Number - 0000000000

Coded Character Set - UTF8

Envelope Record Version - 4

Application Record Version - 0

Date Created - 2019:05:07

Time Created - 09:23:17+00:00

By-line - David Frost

Copyright Notice - Copyright D Frost 2017

Global Angle - 30

Global Altitude - 30

IPTCDigest - 7abaecf60abed9336f3a018557686a6a

XMPToolkit - Adobe XMP Core 5.6-c145 79.163499, 2018/08/13-16:40:22

Approximate Focus Distance - 2147483647

Firmware - 1.01

Flash Compensation - 0

Image Number - 0

Lens ID - 177

Creator - David Frost

Format - image/jpeg

Rights - Copyright D Frost 2017

Serial Number - 443052000799

Lens Model - EF300mm f/4L IS USM +2x III

Lens Serial Number - 0000000000

Lens Info - 600mm f/?

Color Mode - RGB

ICCProfile Name - ProPhoto RGB

Legacy IPTCDigest - 814B37A31B8CECAB1DC580B595CB9F96

Creator Tool - Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 (Windows)

Metadata Date - 2019:05:16 08:48:13+01:00

Rating - 0

Derived From Document ID - adobe:docid:photoshop:7c0db6c2-077d-624f-8fcb-ded6b779c47a

Derived From Instance ID - xmp.iid:b7cbc1e8-d0d4-8143-8fc8-37b51d27788e

Derived From Original Document ID - CBB73DA7119E4B3DB5267041BAA705BD

Document ID - adobe:docid:photoshop:5ad9aa70-e094-5340-85a3-860881ce1a26

Instance ID - xmp.iid:08bd0ac5-5294-cb45-a47b-291fb24da9c2

Original Document ID - CBB73DA7119E4B3DB5267041BAA705BD

Camera ID - 72157668584224581

Camera Type - Mirrorless Camera

Interestingly, further down this exif (now highlighted Orange) is COlor Mode RGB, ICCProfileName ProPhoto RGB, which is what Craig mentioned..

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Allan the Plumber

you should of said you where over this way Dave, I'm just round the corner you could of popped in for a cuppa, I'm about mile down the road in beeston Rylands 😁

 

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Derbyshire Dave
15 minutes ago, Doc said:

Now look at mine it says

 

Color Mode - RGB

ICCProfile Name - sRGB IEC61966-2.1

 

Which isn't what Craig recommended.

The information in Photoshop looks like this Mick (and Craig and everyone)

Dave Colour Space Info 1

 

 

This is page 2

Dave Colour Space Info 2

 

This page 3

 

Dave Colour Space Info 3

 

 

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Derbyshire Dave

Thanks Mick. Like the colou management policies being off. I'm gonna have a play. Appreciate it

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Derbyshire Dave

OK.. I Think I have a fix. I now ask to check for profile mismatches, and when it finds the embedded ProColour one, I choose 'Convert to working RGB.

 

THESE SHOULD NOW LOOK OK! (Thanks guys!)

 

Pochard

Red Crested POCHARD Version 3 Converetd to Working Colour in Re-open

 

Whitethroat

Whitethroat Working RGB

 

Sedge Warbler..

 

Sedge Warbler  Working RGB

 

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Derbyshire Dave
19 hours ago, Allan the Plumber said:

you should of said you where over this way Dave, I'm just round the corner you could of popped in for a cuppa, I'm about mile down the road in beeston Rylands 😁

 

Hiya,

  Would have loved to done that and seen your home setup. Another time maybe?

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Allan the Plumber

yes Dave let me know next time your popping over to Attenborough will make sure im about  

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Derbyshire Dave
1 hour ago, Allan the Plumber said:

yes Dave let me know next time your popping over to Attenborough will make sure im about  

Yeah, I’d love that Allan. I’ll PM my personal details. Let me know where you are and I’ll definitely plan a visit 

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