Guest dardano Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Hi guys ! Just to let you know that I got my first TV eyepiece. It's a Panoptic 24mm. With my 1200mm focal lenght it'll give me a 50x magnification. This weekend will be cloudless, so I'm in a hurry to try it and see if my collimation done last week is good. Next TV EP on the buy list is a Nagler Type 6 13mm. After that I may buy a TV Powermate 2.5x the 24mm will give me a 9.6mm focal and give a 125x mag. the 13mm will give me a 5.2mm focal and give a 230x mag. With that I will have 24, 13, 9.6 and 5.2 focals. Does it sound a good planning ? Any thoughts ? Thanks Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brantuk Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 That 24mm Panoptic is a beaut of an eyepiece - it's crystal clear and gives amazing views - one of the best in my set - you're gonna love it Frederic. The only one missing from your planned set (imho) is something over 30mm for really wide views of the larger objects like M31, double clusters, and some nebulae. I've not given my Naglers a good run out yet since I got them due to weather - but had a short "between the clouds" session in the yard and they are looking very promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAZ Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Wow, nice eyepiece Frederic. That will be a beauty for the Galaxy season. You don't know Kim, but trust me, he knows his eyepiece's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbird Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I have the 13mm Nagler type 6 and it's my most used eyepiece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tweedledum Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Thats a cracking Eyepiece Fred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 As Kim says you need that big widefield one, so I would buy a 35mm Panoptic to finish the set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catman161 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Nice purchase Fred. I have the 13mm ethos and can't rate it highly enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedledee Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 These are all really top notch eyepieces that you will thoroughly enjoy observing with. The 31mm Nagler would also be a great choice for a real low power, very wide field ep. Very expensive and very heavy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T A WOW Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 That'll be a lovely set! I suspect your wallet will be somewhat lighter though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Strings Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Good choice mate, I have one too, it virtually lives in my 200p. Along with a powermate it covers my wide field and medium mags. I do fancy a 35mm panoptic though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brantuk Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 The 35mm Panoptic in a 20" dob is just awesome - I've seen the dust lanes in M31 with this configuration and the view is just gobsmacking. Just can't fit the whole galaxy in but it shows the main parts in exquisite detail (b/w of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dardano Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Thank you all for you comments. TV EPs cost a lot but I know they worth it. For the ultra wide low power EP, what would be the best choice between 35mm PAN or 31mm Nagler ? or maybe both ?! mouahahah 31mm Nag is sold 679.95 $ CAD 35mm Pan is sold 399.95 $ CAD Will it worth paying 280$ more for a Nag ? Thanks Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Remember the Panoptic is 68° while the Nagler is 82°. The Nagler is also a lot heavier so if balancing is an issue go for the Panoptic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dardano Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Hi Mick, I know about aFOV between Pan's and Nag's. I will have to try before buying to see what's better (35mm pan or 31mm nag). Until then, next buy is a 13mm Nagler. So it gives me time to figure it out. Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brantuk Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I've not looked through the 31mm Nagler - I've seen one though and it's a beast - but it's a good idea to try and borrow them to compare before buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedledee Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 The 31mm Nagler used to be my ultimate eyepiece. I hardly ever used any other ep and often doubled it with a TV Big Barlow. I know that it is not suited to everyones eyes. Some people (very few) see a kidney bean blackout effect when looking through some Naglers, although the 31mm suffers less than most from this. I've had several Naglers and can only say that they were incredible, and I could not fault them in any way and saw no blackout effects. I'm just addicted to wide apparent fields now, and won't entertain anything less than 82 degrees. When spending that sort of money, and they are still very expensive second hand, it is obviously best to try one first. But I don't think you'd be disappointed. Here is a link to some interesting info about Naglers... www.cloudynights.com/documents/naglers.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dardano Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) I don't know why Televue didn't mention the 31mm nagler on their recommandation for dobsionians. http://www.televue.com/engine/TV3b_page.asp?return=Advice&id=96 Low Power, Wide Field: Either 26mm Nagler Type 5or 35mm Panopticor 21mm Ethos Medium Power Either 12mm Nagler Type 4or 13mm Nagler Type 6or 13mm Ethosor 14mm Delos Edited March 11, 2013 by dardano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dardano Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Finally, here is what I will buy in the future. *powermate 2.5 => 215 $ with PMPanoptic 35mm 34x => 415 $Panoptic 24mm 50x -> 125x => boughtNagler 13mm 98x -> 245x => 330 $ orDelos 12mm 100x -> 250x => 370 $Delos 8mm 150x -> 375x => 370 $Delos 6mm 200x -> 500x => 370 $ This will give these magnification steps. 34x50x98x or 100x*125x150x200x*245x or 250x*300x And my next purchase could be either Pan 35mm or Delos 6mm. Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Type-R Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 (edited) Any reason why you have not gone for the ETHOS? a 13mm Ethos has 100 degree field of view, much better than the delios or the panoptics? That will fit M31, M44, the double cluster etc in, while at 13mm still give dark background. Couple that with a 2x or 2.5x power mate and you have a good planet ep there. 1 ep, 1 power mate, rather than multiple ep's? They are my future ep purchases, I dont think I have the need for anything else? Edited April 26, 2013 by Daz Type-R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dardano Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I wanted to get EPs at 50x steps.... Ethos are very expansive, but on the other side as you said 1 EP + 1 PM cost less than the list I provided.... I will consider this. Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dardano Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Also Eye Relied is 20mm on Delos EP which is very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Type-R Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Eye relief of the 13mm Ethos is 15mm! Also good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dardano Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I just saw the specs. Ethos 13mm is sold 639$ CAD instead of Nagler 13mm at 330 $ CAD. So if I save the $$$ for an Ethos 13mm and Ethos 6mm that could be an option. Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Type-R Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Why would you want a 6mm Ethos when you have a 2.5x power mate? Power mating the 13mm would give you a 5.2mm ep (near enough to a 6mm). Sorry if I am messing up all your plans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dardano Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 That's what forum are for ! Messing up plans hahahahha But you're right about the focal lenght. On the other side I already have a Panoptic 24mm. I love it. But should I keep or save more $$$ for a wider FOV EP ? Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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